Absinthe, meet phone. Phone, meet rambling weirdo.

Ok – listen to me on this one:

There’s this drink out there called Absinthe. Tastes like fennel and rocket fuel mixed together. Kind of awesome. Anyway, they fail to mention that just a few drinks of it will turn you into a wacko.

It doesn’t make you drunk, really. More like someone comes in, shakes up the world, and then doesn’t put everything back where it originally was.


…Unless you want to simply not give a damn about selling anything. If you want to have a pretty cool conversation about semi-heavy psychological stuff and really get into Eben’s head, then it’s a good idea.

I present to you: The Absinthe Interview

This is my favorite interview out of all the ones I’ve ever done.

I don’t know if we sold anything and I don’t really give a damn. I learned some good stuff …and you will too.

Oh – click here to check out Eben’s new program. It rules. I got rich by stealing Eben’s ideas.

Now he’s not only giving out all his best stuff, he’s holding your hand and walking you through exactly what to do. In fact, he practically does a lot of the “work” FOR you.

Seriously, check it out. I’ll know if you don’t …because Absinthe also makes you psychic.

87 Comments so far »

  1. Denise Pederson said

    am May 31 2008 @ 11:48 pm

    What a refreshing change!!! I enjoyed every minute of it! Loved listening in on you two. So do we get Absinthe at our seminars????

    Denise Pederson

  2. Meg Meyer said

    am May 31 2008 @ 11:59 pm


    I was on that call when you guys made it. It was hilarious & informative. You & Eben play off of each other very well.

    The “Green Fairy” may not be able to keep you on task, but Absinthe definitely gets you to ask some questions that we don’t normally hear on calls with internet marketing gurus!

    Thanks Again,

    Meg Meyer
    Executive Business Coach

    Small Business Services

  3. Ern Langmaid said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:01 am

    I’ve been listening for 15 minutes, and so far nothing but chatter and fill.

  4. DayDreamer1 said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:29 am


    You mentioned “It” happened for you In Black Mountain NC. Interested in coming back???

  5. Jeff said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:33 am

    I always pickup a bottle when I am in Moscow.

  6. Submit Your Articles said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:54 am


    This was the best interview I ever listened in on.

  7. Anton jokic said

    am June 1 2008 @ 1:16 am

    help me to start that is so complicate .

  8. Robert said

    am June 1 2008 @ 1:28 am


    This was so good that you have to make it available as a MP3 download.

    Really. Just do it…

    😉 Robert

  9. 7 Tips for Beginners for Building Blog Traffic said

    am June 1 2008 @ 1:32 am

    Hey Eben … Frank and all you readers n posters above … great update guys reading in this excellent thread … we musta all guessed by now the internet is like a great big information note book and the pages keep turning every day as now the pages are turning easier quicker even before Mass Control Instructional Video format “even if we thought we did not want it too” … with this latest concept better information is available immediately for those folks who dip into this network mix of audio, video information every day trying to solve there current wishes to find the latest greatest secret to wealth and prosperity and usually miss the point of the greatest secret is … ACTION … by taking ACTION on information learned comes to the mindset as knowledge learned so success can turn to WISDOM once that knowledge is implemented with strategies to the desired outcome …

    Remembering that old saying by Benjamin Franklin “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different Results” I for one didn’t understand the saying the first time I heard it, so it wasn’t effective on me as it was intended to be. But I expect if my more successful friends keep quoting it, and quoting it, and quoting it, eventually, I might catch on and find the Truth that Lies Deep Within this Wise Saying.

    All my best to you and your Strategy vs. Tactics
    Phillip Skinner

  10. Adam said

    am June 1 2008 @ 1:40 am

    If that’s true that my attitudes, beliefs and thoughts really affect everything, that means I rule the universe freely!!! We will see all war and strife disappear for good within this lifetime! We create universal bliss! Ever hear of “dragging people down” ? You know what’s better? Dragging people up! Upsweep!

    I have an interesting thought. Often I hear that the people one hangs out with has a profound effect on one’s life, and so that it is good to surround oneself with what one desires, ie positive influences. I do agree. My current sales manager often says to us to remove negative influences from our lives, stop hanging out with people who drag us down and etc. However…. If I’m going to see somebody as bad, as having a negative impact and etc, perhaps I need to create perspective adjustments instead. You are saying that if one looks at one’s five closest friends and average them out, they see them self. And so, do my friends make me as much as I make them? I am a part of this average so I can use that average to my advantage. There’s always a way to bring everyone up. If there isn’t then we’re all wasting our time because right now there is all kinds of war and strife in this world and we can either ignore it and say it was based on their mental attitude and had nothing to do with us, or, we can stare ourselves directly in our own mirror reflection, acknowledge our creations and decide to change our reality and really change the world. Your mental attitude is mine, in the sense that I create it, or, at least in that it is an important factor of reality that can be worked with to create something of greatness.

    Lol. Hey man, it would be really great if I could get in contact with you and your friends. It’ll be an interesting association. You’d have a lot to offer me and I have something to offer you. Whereabouts do you live? Email me. And thanks for sharing the video and audio clips. I’ve only checked out a few but they’ve all been good.

  11. Viktors Bariss said

    am June 1 2008 @ 2:16 am


    Excellent call! Very refreshing and REAL; an excellent change from the usually format. Great job, man. I’m totally inspired.

    Viktors Bariss

  12. Lex said

    am June 1 2008 @ 2:27 am

    OMFG! “The voice of reason”… hehe!

    This interview is totally awesome. And it kills me how you drop the most illogical-sounding humor bombs wrecking the conversation and then weave them back into the plot every time… the Peter Cook school of humor.

    So Frank, random segue, check out this amazing essay on absinthe written about 100 years ago – it’s pretty cool and I think you’ll dig it in the light of what you say on this page. It’s not about marketing and I’m not trying to sell you anything but it’s a brilliant piece of writing and out there in a really good way….


  13. Phoenique said

    am June 1 2008 @ 3:07 am

    Wow.. I heard about the ‘green monster’ but you both were GREAT.. you show people you are real guys..with real fears and been throught alot..WOW.. im so much more impressed! Yes it was funny at points. But you both seem so much more human,real.. and give the average net marketer that “I really can do this” spirit!! Thanks so much guys..its was the best!!

    Phoenique Farmer

  14. Stoned said

    am June 1 2008 @ 3:10 am

    Frank, after an hour or so… i could tell you were stoned man!!

    Anyway, good call hehe.


  15. Katarina Glowicka said

    am June 1 2008 @ 4:18 am

    To Eben: I’m suspecting, your girlfriend was becoming very jealous of you getting possibilities of new dates too easily – you were far too good in it :) Maybe time to start writing a book about stying in a relationship? That is only if you had enough of the fun being alone.


    Ps. Did you know, that Absinthe was invented initially to be a medicine for stomach-ache?

  16. Craig Wilson said

    am June 1 2008 @ 4:38 am

    ok now I have to Google absinthe

  17. Paul Perry said

    am June 1 2008 @ 4:48 am

    Hi Frank
    That Absinthe is like drinking mouthwash,I have had some experience of, Mad stuff,it spangles your brain.Thanks for the information guys,all good,despite drinking mouthwash?
    Great stuff

    Paul Perry



    am June 1 2008 @ 6:19 am

    hello ido!

  19. lincoln ong said

    am June 1 2008 @ 6:29 am

    frank…sorry i miss mass control..any chance of another one??

  20. lincoln ong said

    am June 1 2008 @ 6:30 am

    frank i love your material!! you are amazing

  21. claude said

    am June 1 2008 @ 6:33 am

    Very honest, insightful and motivational.
    It cuts off in the middle though, unable to
    hear it from beginning to end.
    Absinthe sounds good too!

  22. mohamed ahmed mohamed ahmed said

    am June 1 2008 @ 6:51 am

    thank you

  23. Article Marketer said

    am June 1 2008 @ 7:04 am

    That’s out there, freakin’ Pluto man!
    Cool though.


  24. Steve Metcalfe said

    am June 1 2008 @ 7:55 am

    Frank/ Eben.

    Totally enjoyed listening to you guys share such information.
    I’m currently sitting in Bergen. Norway watching them setup the concert area for a KIZZ concert tomorrow. listening to your teleseminar replay.

    Thanks guys. totally learn a great bunch of info.

    Just wonder how the absinthe messed up your interview ….. actually sounds like it enhanced it … so where’s your affiliate link to buy the Absinthe ??


  25. Michael said

    am June 1 2008 @ 7:56 am

    Hi Frank,

    Just wanted to say “Thank you”. Thank you for continuing to give.

    Take care,


  26. steve said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:11 am

    I love your stuff Frank. Keep it coming and more frequently.


    Easy business to make thousands of dollars a day

  27. t said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:12 am

    All of this free stuff is great but I need to make some real money you know of a way that I can do that ??? oneteam4u@bellsouth.net

  28. Martin Bellinger said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:20 am

    Hey Frank and Ebden,

    Great to hear the real story about you both, l have really enjoyed both of yours of the freeline stuff that come out over the pass few months. l will be passing on your names to soon to be launch my mentorship group saying these 2 must be on on your “must watch list”.

    l very much telling about the ethos of “feeline” your best stuff.

    Martin Bellinger
    Co Founder
    Money Kudos

  29. InSearchofAuthenticity said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:35 am

    It’s amazing what you can accomplish when you find yourself.

    I’ve been following both of you for quite sometime, trying to decipher your brilliant work.

    It’s been a long journey (and it’s not over…never will), but the answer is equally brilliant: authenticity.

    Thank you.

    Your listeners may not have a full understanding of what you’ve just unleashed (including me).

  30. Lee said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:35 am

    I enjoyed the call. The two of you are great together. I like the part near the 1:48 mark about doing something for your body first thing in the morning. Most people make excuses about working out that include time, travel, and expense. I study energy methods based on Chinese medicine theory and you literally can get an AWESOME workout in only 5 minutes of breathing and posture. No special outfits, no commute, no memberships, no sweating, etc. It virtually eliminates ALL excuses. (I even do it in the shower or in an elevator one minute at a time). It can be fitted into any schedule. One side effect–I have not had a cold or the flu in over 6 years from using these methods.

    Money is fantastic, and clearly the goal of any business, but if you are a bazillionaire and laid up in a hospital bed waiting to die, then how ‘wealthy’ are you really?

    Health is PARAMOUNT!!! I’m glad to hear you mention it during the call. Everyone else seems to overlook it.

  31. Eisho said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:36 am

    Thanks for your great information.
    Before giving you my comment , Let me tell you my imperfect English writing ability since I am a pure Japanese. So anyway, what you guys offering is trementously good. I got so impressed and waken-up, Just because listening to this record gave me a lot of insights which deffenatley would do to my ,
    I mean , our business. Super-thanks all the way from Okinawa, Japan.
    Super-Arigato, and All the happiness will come to you guys and make your world ful of happiness and calm through all the deed you will do, I hope.

    Bye Info-beast.

  32. Peter Buick said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:43 am

    Wow Frank
    I’m not sure!

    It’s interesting to hear about the man behind Eben Pagan and in “some ways” I have more respect for him now.

    But Eben works at the high end of mentoring and it is his detatched professionalism which makes him eligible for those big bucks fees.

    For “me” this detached professionalism is what Eben brings to the pool. Disparate from most of the “regular guy” gurus, like your good yourself. So the fact that Eben had a “poor boy makes good” story, and can still be the detached professional is is some ways more inspiring.

    But I still wouldn’t give my money to Eben for another reason, which neither of you cover.


  33. Kennie said

    am June 1 2008 @ 9:45 am

    I listened to every second and it was both interesting and a very well formed pitch. I have to say that you must have either been having very small glasses of absynthe, or it was particularly weak, as four glasses of 90% alcohol, taken inside the space of 2 hours, would render most humans on this planet, unable to put two thoughts together!

  34. Robert said

    am June 1 2008 @ 10:05 am


    Absinthe is actually NOT illegal in the US. There are rules for how much of the ‘toxic’ stuff (thujone) can be in there, but it’s still legal if it meets those standards.

    I don’t know about the czech variety, but for the french absinthe recipe from the 19th century, checkout for more and for retailers. Not affiliated, but probably should be.

    It’s extemely high in alcohol content and contains various herbs (which make it green), so be warned and good luck on achieving ‘lucid’ thinking absinthe is reputedly known for.


    P.S. Your NLP is definitely showing in this conversation…

  35. Robert said

    am June 1 2008 @ 10:06 am

    oops… left out some html tag above. Checkout http://www.drinklucid.com

    Wikipedia also has some cool stuff on the green fairy as well.

  36. majid reza said

    am June 1 2008 @ 10:08 am


    i donnot undrestand irt exactly and i cannot acy truly
    please learn me
    yours faithfully

  37. Susan said

    am June 1 2008 @ 10:23 am

    Thanks to Lex for the covert look at the artist through Aleister Crowley’s eyes. He was one the most controversial and outspoken writers of the occult; also a painter, philosopher, poet and yogi. And of course an advocate for that Green Goddess Absinthe. The 19th C. artists including Van Gogh, Monet, Gauguin; all the impressionists, were imbibing this psychotropic beverage. It was the LSD of the time, only natural. Giving insights and lifting the veil were its forté if one didn’t go absolutely mad first. I lived in Belgium in the 70s and got to taste this most powerful elixir. I was surprised to hear, Frank, that you were drinking it and on your 4th or 5th serving after only a half hour or so. I loved the philosophical bent your conversation took. It was one of the most profound teleseminars I’ve listened to. Reminds me of Jack London’s famous quote:

    “I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. The function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.”

    Bravo Eben and Frank. Thanks for a most unusual meanderings – and yes, Frank, Please list that link to your absinthe source!!

    a bien tot mon amis


  38. Lisa said

    am June 1 2008 @ 10:54 am

    Best frickin’ interview I’ve ever heard!…real and to the point. Can relate completely to observing parents from the depression era who have the “poor mindset,” as well as the “I don’t deserve it mentality.” It is what it is. But it’s amazing that I didn’t realize how much of this mind set I had picked up, affecting life success on multiple levels. Two years ago I made a profound change. Just as you mentioned, I began to seek friends/collegues who think like I do, i.e. high achievers, intellectually minded, and not afraid to go after it (no fear). Amazingly, things have turned around completely. Also enjoyed the discussion on “stop hiding” and be who you really are. I went through this as well…a little frightening at first to put your real self out there but very freeing. Excellent commentary that I intend to listen to again.


    P.S. – By the way, differentiator is a word…so you’re good. :) definition: One who, or that which, differentiates. lol

  39. Sylvia said

    am June 1 2008 @ 10:59 am

    Ah yes, you two are so smart and entertaining. my copy writing secret? single malt. Preferably The Laphroaig.

  40. Graham said

    am June 1 2008 @ 11:05 am

    Hey Frank..

    Belated Happy Birthday Big Fella..

    Have another Absinthe…Cheers..

  41. Palyn Peterson said

    am June 1 2008 @ 11:32 am

    I prefer to smoke crack and powdered kitten claws out of homemade bongs made from the skulls of angels.

    Good interview dude.

  42. Great Profit On The Net said

    am June 1 2008 @ 11:58 am

    Hi Frank,

    Everything is cool and interview too.
    But Eben set high price and not everybody can afford it.


  43. Anthony Teegarden said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:08 pm

    I’m not even full on into internet marketing but your call was so refreshing, different and “cool” that it inspired me to write a blog post to a niche that knows nothing of you or internet marketing. (But obviously could learn from your perspective and mindset.)

    Your fresh perspective and “authentic” self along with Eban’s made a huge difference to me today and inspired me to another level. I can’t fully express it in words however I’ve changed already just because of the “cool” content from this call.

    It’s something everyone could gain value from if they stay open to the message.

    Thank you and to Eban.

  44. Stephen Chua said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:26 pm

    At long last, the Surfer Dude meets Mr. Sophisticate.

    And a let-everything-hang-out-session and all that universal energy supercharged by Absinthe. What makes it all real world real is the human story of the struggles, the journey of failures, the learning from mistakes and growing with the success.

    As gurus go, the whole theme of contrasting styles truly stood out. The Surfer Dude with the absinthe irreverence bringing out Mr. Sophiticate’s ability to bring clarity to his program offer with a take charge quietly style.

    I particularly love this piece of wisdom from Eben – “give your best stuff (free course/downloads, etc.) because you can make so much more when you offer all your other stuff that makes this best idea work so much better.”

    Well Frank, if we ever meet, I’ll get you that bottle or two of Absinthe and turn on the audio/video. Great entertaining stuff.

    Great Wealth and Happiness,
    Stephen Chua


  45. jim kelly said

    am June 1 2008 @ 12:27 pm

    Anyone hear of David DeAngelo: “How to pick up women”? Eben is the same guy…..DeAngelo is his “stage name”. Just thought you all would like to know.

  46. Donna Maher said

    am June 1 2008 @ 1:04 pm

    I want to thank Eben for being so honest – it gives a ray of hope to those of us who have suffered far longer than necessary with low self esteem or scarcity mindsets or both.

    If you get nothing else out of this discourse, please write down and repeat Eben’s abundance affirmations that he shared: “I deserve all the success I can attract.” “I give myself PERMISSION to succeed.”

    He’s so right that we don’t need to continue seeking the praise, recognition and affirmation of our own precious humanity outside of ourselves. It’s all an “inside job”.

    Thanks guys… thanks Frank for always coming up with something of value for your loyal readers. :-)

    Have a wonderful life and a belated *Happy Birthday*, too!


  47. Alex Newell said

    am June 1 2008 @ 1:05 pm


    thank you so much for sharing your past and talking about”attitudes” and mindset and other weird stuff.



  48. Deux said

    am June 1 2008 @ 2:20 pm

    this doesn’t even play for me…

  49. overklokan said

    am June 1 2008 @ 2:37 pm

    Hello to all of you … I just came to say the most of the stuff on this web site is very REFRESHING and UPLIFTING for me! No, I haven’t started any type of businesses like those promoted here, but still it’s great for me to read, hear and see a lot of POSITIVE thinking people here … Definitelly crowd to spend some time so you might expect seeing me post more on this web site …

    GL to all and don’t forget = Enjoy life!

  50. unrev.org said

    am June 1 2008 @ 3:34 pm

    “Rich is a state of mind.” Nice one. Reminds me of the Law of Attraction. See “The Secret”.

    The question is, to what extent do we create our own reality?

    I dig the spiritualesque, affinrmationy stuff you’re getting into. This has been key in my transformation.

    If you think absinthe is good, try ayahuascasa my friend.

    Ciao desde Medellín.

  51. Michael E. Cantone said

    am June 1 2008 @ 3:50 pm

    Frank and Eben,
    I don’t know if you guys can relate but about 15 years ago I was shown the A.L. Williams dream of success. I know this is not that but I too have been through a lot. I am not in debt I know how to stay out of debt I want to make a living in online marketing, thank for showing my how to tear down the barriers. Frank I was taken back by green monster but after reading these previous comments it made me realize your still OK but Eben should be the standard because the money has not gone to his head.
    Michael E. Cantone

  52. Bart Murray said

    am June 1 2008 @ 4:58 pm


    I am totally jealous of your lifestyle! I’ve got to figure out how I can go surfing everyday like you and Moffat. Thanks for sharing your story and getting Eban to losen up and share so much inspiration. I guess it all comes down to “how bad do you want it?” kinda stuff. I am in Asheville NC and it was cool to find out that you were in Black Mtn getting your biz going. Anyway, thanks for the insights and now I gotta get back to my Gateway and figure out how to automate $400 dollars a day into my account. THanks!!!!

  53. Meredith said

    am June 1 2008 @ 5:32 pm

    Frank: I watched the video live and became one of Eben’s new fans. He has great ideas and proves that they work. Until I listened to the interview, I had really never heard of him. Successful people read the right books and Eben is definitely a reader. We have read a lot of the same books. I particularly related to his life story. Not too many people realize the impact your personal story can have on others. People just enjoy hearing about these things as they usually relate. When I saw him on the first video, I just supposed he was of the elite professional type. I really had no idea who he really was. From nothing to 20 mil a year. Wow!

    Thanks for sharing.
    Talk later,

  54. dan said

    am June 1 2008 @ 5:54 pm

    I know Eben is a very successful marketer but he is a BORE. I have heard a few of his dating programs and he is a BORE. Everything he presents is scripted.
    You can hear his boringness on this call. I realize things should be planned
    but without a script in anything Eben is probably a bore in real life. I am
    afraid to buy his marketing products because I am afraid he will bore me to death.
    It will take him ten hours to give you one hour of good information.
    That is how you add filler to your product. One hour of good info taking
    ten hours gives you a lot of filler to make your product appear very valuable.

  55. Memawawaw said

    am June 1 2008 @ 7:20 pm

    So what we really want to know is…does absinthe make the heart grow fonder?!

  56. Diana Adams said

    am June 1 2008 @ 7:23 pm

    Too funny Frank! I drank this while in Mesa, Mexico for a vacation and I swear there were evil spirits out to get me! Never again will I touch that drink, well not in Mexico! So I am off to read MORE of your blog now!
    Blessings Diana

  57. Reg Boczko said

    am June 2 2008 @ 9:19 am

    Wow, I have been reading about this, but never followed through…
    I totaly belive in what Eben is saying… The mind set is very IMPORTANT…
    This hopefuly will put me back on track and achive what I want out of life…
    So Frank you live on the beach, so if you like Seafood then buy my Cookbook
    Check it out at this URL; http://lulu.com/content/2181835
    Let me know what you think… Hope you or your wife cooks (lol)
    Reg B.

  58. sira7 said

    am June 2 2008 @ 10:29 am

    Great interview.

    I don’t know if i remember well but all Napoleon Hill’s case studies died broke.

    Maybe you’ll think i’m a little weirdo.
    First i apologize for my English,
    but i hope you’ll understand what i want to say – Core communication as you said.

    After he launched “traffic secrets” John Reese said that he own his success
    to Jesus Christ.

    You mentioned in your presentation Mother Theresa, and her “core” communication with audience, no matter the profession they have, their hearts were touched by M. Theresa’s words.

    You said that before 2005 you felt miserably because of your life and business.

    I must tell you that i felt the same, and it is not a NLP affirmation, because in one moment i started to think how to make more money, money, money….you know..

    When i start the IM business i started with the purpose to help people in my country to achieve what i achieved in my non IM market business, but this presentation is made in IM style. And here you, Ed Dale and Yanik Silver have a big impact.

    I use “Underachiever” spirit and method, and using ’33 days to online profits”
    like work frame i tried to help my fellows IM biz and it seems to be a success.

    But the first purpose to help transformed in greedy – more money wish who transformed me in an animal looking like a man (still :)

    Everything was going good, financially, but something happen in my heart.

    Long story short, i went to a priest and he told me to read a book wrote by
    Archimandrite Sophrony – We Shall See Him As He Is, 1985. Essex, England: Stravropegic Monastery of St. John the Baptist, 1988.

    He was the disciple of St. Silouan:


    THis book changed literally my entire life because i realized that we are connected between us (human beings) and nothing is perchance.

    Now, please don’t think I’m a mystic weirdo who try to convince you about something, just want to know your opinion, of course if is possible.

    I discovered that we are made by God “in our image, in our likeness”

    God is One in three Persons and the humans must be “in our likeness” one in many, many persons.

    Person is the opposite to individuum (ego)

    Life content for a person are the other persons, compared with ego individuum who is closed in himself(herself).

    Here on the EArth we must become persons because we, by ourselves, didn’t have life. We can survive after death only united with Christ.

    Christ is a God person but in two essence-Godness and humans and by Him we will survive after death.

    Now, Frank, please don’t call the mental hospital please.

    I believe that if we follow Jesus life, starting to call him, he will come and in His love we become like him – a human person capable to include in her(his) life all the Universe and the Godness but attention, not by ourselves (pride) but humility-meekness.

    When God in His mercy let us know what we really are, first reaction is to hate our ego individuum life, because the God love came like fire on the ice.

    First we suffer but is a good suffering because we feel God started to work in our hearts.

    When we start to awareness this we will feel our jerk-ness (!) but in the same time awareness that we see that in God’s Light.

    And step by step we start to empty our big ego and fill up with love(God love)

    With our minds (ego individuum minds) we can only learn and know just a little part of knowledge. Is like we living in a little room and we know all about that room, but suddenly we discover a door and when we open it we find another room.
    Of course in that moment we realize that we didn’t know anything about new room.

    It’s like we living in labyrinth.

    Socrates often said that his wisdom was limited to an awareness of his own ignorance.

    But when God came it is like we are in helicopter above this labyrint and we see all the reallity of our thinking.

    We can discover this only in God love united with Him.

    In this moment the human persons can communicate between them in Holly Spirit energy. Holly Spirit is God person and the content of His life is the beloved persons.

    Jesus took ego value pyramid and turn it upside down. Now if somebody wants to be the “boss” he (she) must serve others. Very few can do that because when Holly Spirit take us to meet Jesus we can meet Him down to the top of the pyramid and there is high “temperatures” and high “pressure”. In that moment Holly Spirit show us – me, you, him (every “you” is a “me”) the place where we live now – and this has a name – “Hell”.

    But when we awareness that true, our minds cleaning up and the hell state is transformed in a heaven state, but with one condition – to remain with our ego minds in hell. Every time we will forget this condition we come back to hell state which exists only if we want to exist. God let us to choose – He made us free as He Is, and He respect our freedom- love with force is impossible.

    Life is not a concept Is A Person
    Truth is not a concept Is A Person
    The Way is not an abstract concept Is A Person

    That Person Is Jesus Christ and when we meet Him we become like Him through Him – a human person who can’t die because he’s(she’s) life content is the other human persons and God Persons. One God, One Human. God in three persons, human in many, many persons.

    That’s the reason why, when we meet a person no matter if is human or God we feel peace in our souls.

    Now we can talk about personal communication not idividuum(ego) comunication without emapathy.

    Our mastermind must be Jesus and the saints. And with their help we can become persons, success persons.

    Maybe all i said here didn’t make any sense. Please let me know what is your opinion, of course if you have time.

  59. Matt said

    am June 2 2008 @ 10:54 am

    Awesome call Frank (and Eben), what happened to Eben’s blog though?

    There was some great stuff on there and now it defaults to a sales page :(

  60. Cary said

    am June 2 2008 @ 11:41 am

    You guys are awesome – thanks for sharing about your journey –
    it’s knowing you and others like you that has given me a stong knowledge
    that I can succeed at my dreams!

  61. Hogni S. said

    am June 2 2008 @ 2:27 pm

    Great conversation.

    But I got a little skeptical when I noticed that it lasted for 2 hours (at the beginnign Eben told everyone to get rid of all distraction) There is some good stuff in there…here and there somewhere…:-D but seriously guys, 2 hours? it was fun though, but I would have been bored if I didn’t have something to distract me (like solitaire)through some bits of the call 😉

    Thumbs up

  62. Linda said

    am June 2 2008 @ 5:41 pm

    I finally got to listen to all the interview.
    This interview blew me totally away! And I mean that in a dynamite way! I finally got it!

  63. aMiracleMind.com said

    am June 2 2008 @ 5:51 pm

    Frank, you and Eben are right on about success coming from the right internal programing. Having the right mindset, a mindset of success is the key to achieving one’s goals. Only when one lets go of their mindset of lacking will they move into abundance and having happiness. To accelerate having your success mindset The Abundance Course (The Release Technique) will help get you there faster than any other single thing.


    Then join a mastermind group like Eben’s or one of your own choosing to further accelerate your success.

  64. Michele said

    am June 2 2008 @ 8:07 pm

    Hi Dave and Frank:

    I deserve

    I give myself

    I want to work, create and meet

    Thank-you for your time!!!!!!!!(:


    The Universe is a friendly place..in my mind anyway.

  65. Juanita said

    am June 3 2008 @ 5:33 am

    Frank and Eben,
    Great interview!!! I learned enough from listening to you that it will take me a month, or at least a week to put into practice, before I will need to watch the free videos to learn more.
    As one of your other commenters said, we owe it all to the Lord and if we will just listen to what he has to say you will find you are right on track with what he taught us. “As a man thinketh in his mind so is he” “Through Christ ALL things are possible.” “Christ came to give us life and life abundantly”
    King Soloman was the richest man who ever lived, because he chose to put others needs first!
    People say “give a man a fish and feed him for a day” “teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime”. Sometimes we have to feed him before he is able to learn. You are doing all of that and more.
    Many opportunities have stood in my way to stop me from becoming wealthy, but I’ve always know I would. I am wealthy in some ways, but the money isn’t there yet. It is June 2nd, 2009 and I have made three million dollars. I deserve to be successful and I have a responsibility to help others become successful. I give myself permission to be successful and to help others to do the same. I give myself permission to feed those who need feeding before I can help them. As I increase my circle of like minded people I am growing into the person I deserve to be and that God intended me to be.
    Thanks again so much for this information!!!!
    What can I do to help you?
    from the heart,
    make it a great day,

  66. dan said

    am June 3 2008 @ 5:38 am

    can you please make it a download…

  67. Jennifer said

    am June 3 2008 @ 6:24 am

    I actually laughed out load twice in that 2 hour commentary – very funny chat with you two at the peak there. Also, Eben, your sincerity in sharing the bits about your heritage were heart-warming. Even more credit to you with the elegance and open-mindedness you exuded in an unorthodox tele-seminar environment … respect! Frank – you’re super chilled ‘dude’ (we SO don’t use that word here in the UK and I smiled every time I heard it!) and I don’t envy you your next-day sore head.

    Re Guru Mastermind … I’d join your mastermind in a flash! To travel 4 times per year from London having launched my new info product site: http://www.SuccessfulSingleParenting.com, (which, by the definition of that being my ‘expert area’, means I’m mildy unavailable to leave my single-parented child that frequently), is going put this choice on a 2009 list for me. I hope you re-market the mastermind as colourfully in 12 months time.

    I wish you both even greater success on every level,
    Stay amazing,

  68. asteroth said

    am June 3 2008 @ 7:08 am

    WOW!!! Frank Kerns drinks Absinthe. http://www.absinthefever.com/
    Why is there so much B.S. about Internet Selling. Get real people.
    TV preachers do it all the time, charisma, Psychobabble


    The word charisma (from the Greek word χάρισμα (kharisma), “gift” or “divine favor,” from kharizesthai, “to favor,” from kharis, “favor”: see also charism, Charis) refers to a rare trait found in certain human personalities usually including extreme charm and a ‘magnetic’ quality of personality and/or appearance along with innate and powerfully sophisticated personal communicability and persuasiveness.


    Psychobabble is a customarily pejorative term to denote technical jargon that is used outside of its intended purpose in psychology. The term implies that the speaker lacks the experience and understanding necessary for proper use of a given psychological term. Frequent usage can associate a clinical word with less meaningful buzzword definitions. Some psychological buzzwords have come into widespread use in business management training, motivational seminars, self-help, and popular psychology. These words can be overused by laypersons in describing life problems as clinical maladies, when such nomenclature is not valuable, meaningful or appropriate.

    I expressed this opinion and I didn’t even have to drink Absinthe.

  69. Brian McLeod said

    am June 3 2008 @ 12:40 pm


    May I be the first to “publicly” call for the ‘LSD Interview’ with John Reese or maybe the “Mushroom Meeting” with Moffatt?

    LOL If it’s half as entertaining as this call was…

    I smell a trend in the making:

    Hallucinogenic Marketing


    Brian McLeod
    Miami, Florida

  70. Debi said

    am June 4 2008 @ 12:59 am

    Hey Frank~

    The surfing may be better in your part of the state (unless you’re CRAZY enough to surf Mavericks – you’re not CRAZY, are you?), but you can actually buy absinthe up here in The Great North. Here’s an article about it you might enjoy…


    Or, you can scroll down here to watch a video…


    They’re kidding about petting the oompah loompahs on the distillery tour, I think, but who knows when you’re drinking absinthe, eh? I’ll stick to wheatgrass for my green drinks, thankyouverymuch!

    I agree: kind of awesome call. Both you and Eben are über SMART and trés COOL, but with such RADICALLY different ways of presenting yourselves. There’s just something about “a pairing of opposites” that always seems to work, you know? Thanks for keeping it fun, and I hope you had a FABU birthday!

  71. Ellen said

    am June 5 2008 @ 12:39 am

    Frank & Eben,

    I really like what I have been able to listen to of this call. Problem is, I am recovering from major back surgery, an unwelcome interruption in my journey, and when I listen I keep getting interrupted by meds, visiting nurses et al. Then I cannot go back to where I was without listening to the first part all over again. Could you please make this downloadable so that I can scroll through to pick it up where I left off? Otherwise, I fear I will not get to hear the good stuff at the end before you take it down and that, from the rest of the comments, would surely be a dirty shame!

    What I have been able to hear has been great. I live in a trailer at the moment, having downsized as I aged and kids, divorce, second marriage, widowhood and becoming an orphan emptied the nest. Now it is just me, my old dog, and three kitties. Still, I want to earn that million, just to prove to myself that it can be done by a feisty little old lady in quarks (like crocs) who’s loved and used home computers since 1980. I’m an autoresponder payment away from doing my thing online.

    I really like the stuff both of you do. If all goes as I have set it out, I will be able to afford one or the other or both of your programs a year from now. That would be fun! I’m EST and psychodrama and bioenergetics group trained so believe with you that we create our existence and our wealth, with the help of God and a little Vicks along the way.

    Thank you both for giving so much good stuff to those of us who haven’t yet made enough income to be able to afford your whole enchilada. It means that one of my goals becomes using the free stuff to earn enough to be able to afford the rest of the package! I hope you will each offer your mastermind stuff again, several times, so that the rest of us can tap into it when we are ready and able.

    I’m only 66 and the females in my family live to be at least 86. That means I have almost a whole lifetime yet to earn my million or three.

    Peace and Love to you and yours —Ellen

  72. Lisa said

    am June 6 2008 @ 2:26 pm

    I hear NO signs of intoxication…just normal sounding Frank. 😉

  73. Christopher Swyer said

    am June 10 2008 @ 8:16 pm

    Haha! Brilliant Frank! You’ve got to be one of the coolest Internet marketing dudes on the planet man! Getting drunk and holding a business call at the same time may well be the future! 😉

  74. Eben Pagan - Vom Tellerwäscher zum Millionär | geld-im-internet-verdienen.biz said

    am June 11 2008 @ 9:25 am

    […] Auf Ebens Blog gurumastermindvideoblog.com findet man sehr interessante Video, in denen er erklärt wie er es angestellt hat sein Geschäft aufzubauen und er führt unter anderem auch durch seine Wohnung in Kalifornien. Der Blog ist ein Muss für alle, die im Internet Geld verdienen wollen. Wer mehr über Ebens Geschichte erfahren will, findet ein zweistündiges (!) Interview mit Frank Kern auf masscontrolsite.com/blog […]

  75. rex said

    am June 11 2008 @ 1:53 pm

    I like absinthe.

  76. nicky said

    am July 11 2008 @ 6:00 am

    What’s with comment “you’re gonna be huge in Bulgaria?”

  77. nicky said

    am July 11 2008 @ 6:01 am

    What’s with the comment “you’re gonna be huge in Bulgaria?”

  78. Michael said

    am July 22 2008 @ 8:02 am

    Hi Frank,

    Reminds me of the yegermister days!

    Take it easy,
    Michael Wilson

  79. Matthew Detrick said

    am August 27 2008 @ 8:08 pm

    Frank & Eben:

    Rock on dudes. I received more out of this call
    in 2 hours than I have received in a few years.

    Thank yoU.

    Oh yes… Frank; I’m taking a leap of faith by
    putting into action a strategy I picked up on
    through your Mass Control Monthly Trial.

    Be well, smile a lot, and above all have some
    muthaf&*^&$* fun! :)

  80. Jussi said

    am October 3 2008 @ 10:28 pm

    LOL! The title was so enticing I just had to check this one out! I have no idea what fennel is in Finnish and haven’t tasted Rocket Fuel, yet at least, but Absinthe is kick ass stuff!

    More Absinthe to the world! The description of someone coming to shake up the world is very very accurate. After a shot or two of Absinthe the world is no longer the same.

    I need to return here with time to listen to whole teleseminar!

  81. garry said

    am October 23 2008 @ 1:20 am

    g,day guy,s sounds like the mastermind group to hang with,beach,surf,sunsets booze,friends talking good ol, times trailer talk,millions made in day,s real people do make it ,,thers hope for this little ozzie battler yet chears guy,s

  82. Catherine Maley said

    am November 21 2008 @ 11:34 pm

    I spent years assuming successful people were smarter, luckier, richer, prettier than me until I matured. I innately knew I was more and could be more and have been climbing ever since. It’s so refreshing to hear you guys also came from nothing and didn’t let it stop you. Eben, I’m so glad you told your story because I prejudged you to be one of those middle-eastern rich kids who was American-schooled and used his family money to get into this (could I have been any more wrong?) And, Frank – you are destined to be the “rogue information marketer” with incredible insight. Good job you guys.

  83. Richard Wilson said

    am November 22 2008 @ 8:55 pm

    Great interview. This was right on the money.

    The comments above about filler just don’t get it, or didn’t listen long enough. This isn’t a side topic, this is THE topic. Without understanding this nothing else matters.

    Every day for the last 14 months I have written down my top 15 affirmations. In that time I learned what I blog was, started it from scratch, quit my full time job, started my own company and now work for myself running my blog – making more money than I did in my last job. I’m not an Eben or a Frank but the point it is it was all driven from self affirmations, hard work and determination.

    – Richard
    Richard Wilson

  84. Miroslav Rubes said

    am January 14 2009 @ 3:14 am


    I really enjoyed the interview. It was the most funny and most eye opener for me. I personally get the best value from this. Most people cant probably get it, and that makes perfect sense for me. Because the secret of success is to give out a value that help other people. I mean thats it. It is that simple, give out stuff that help other people. But it must be your stuff not anybody else. When you start to create value then the universe will like start to giving you all what you need or what you demand.



  85. Phx said

    am January 15 2009 @ 12:38 pm

    Great Interview!!! What was really strange…at the moment Eben was talking about the universe being a great or bad place. I received a call from my CC company telling me someone had made some frudulant charges on my card. Hmmm…maybe the universe is trying to telling me something?

    Keep up the great work guys!!!

  86. Nathan Z said

    am April 15 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    Funny, and smart!

  87. Davinci's Ghost said

    am May 17 2009 @ 7:17 pm

    I know the real reason why people have either poverty or success mindsets. It is not a random glitch in the blueprint. It took me 15 years and 500 books to figure it out and it would blow you away if I told you.

    Now what do I do with it ?

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